Klepetalnica - kar ne sodi drugam PART 10

[nebivedu]

Audi A4 allroad je direktna konkurenca subaru outbacku.

[urbancebulj]

Saj jo ne, vozim vag koncern za daily, ker je pocen, če pa bi dnevno rabil 4x4 na audija ne bi pomislil.

[pero999]

Outback vs allroad... tut sekunde nebi pomislu o nakupu outbacka. 4 leta nazaj sm kupu prvega nemca pa si zdej raj lukno v kolen nardim k pa da prešoltam nazaj na subaruja ok razn za delovn avto.

Osebo bi sicer rajs vzel a6 allroad ker je res bolanija od avta

[nebivedu]

Čez 2 let boš pa jokal, kako te v mesto ne spustijo s traktorjem, pa boš šel z veseljem nazaj na bencinskega subaruja.

[nebivedu]

Čeprav sta audi allroad in subaru outback tekmeca, je razlik preveč. Novi audiji so samo še 2WD s pomožnimi kolesi (ker 4motion s haldeksom ni ravno to kar bi hotel na terenu) in zato tam ko se subaru pelje, audija lahko edino vlečejo s traktorjem.

[klemz]

Kaj pa zdej bluzis o pogonu nebivedu?

[nebivedu]

allroad ima 10% pogona zadaj stalno in 90% spredaj, ob zdrsu prednjih koles pa se prenese do 50% na zadnja kolesa (haldex 5).

Kaj se zgodi s haldexom, če ga 5 ur skupaj mučiš po terenu, da je stalno 50% pogona na osi?
Oziroma, bom drugače vprašal, kaj se zgodi, ko se haldex pregreje?

[klemz]

Audi ma na sredini torsen. To pomen da je mela prva generacija 50:50, nasledne verzije pa 40:60 (spredi/zadi). Od 2010 naprej ma audi svojo verzijo aka Crown Gear diff in lahko do 85% nazaj prenese in 70% naprej.

Gen1
System type: Permanent four-wheel drive.
Open centre differential, manually lockable via switch on centre console.¹
Open rear differential, manually lockable via switch on centre console.¹
Open front differential, no lock.
ABS disabled when locked.

Gen2
System type: Permanent four-wheel drive.
Torsen centre differential, 50:50 'default' split, automatically apportioning up to 75% of torque transfer to either axle.
Open rear differential, manually lockable via switch on centre console located next to handbrake.¹
Open front differential, no lock.
ABS disabled when locked, automatically unlocks if speed exceeds 25 km/h (16 mph).

Gen4
System type: Permanent four-wheel drive.
Torsen type 1 or 2 centre differential, 50:50 'default' split, automatically apportioning up to 75% of torque transfer to either front or rear axle.
Open rear differential, Electronic Differential Lock (EDL).
Open front differential, Electronic Differential Lock (EDL).

Gen5
System type: Permanent asymmetric four-wheel drive.
Torsen type 3 (Type "C") centre differential, 40:60 'default' split front-rear, automatically apportioning up to 80% of the torque to one axle using a 4:1 high-biased center differential. With the aid of ESP, up to 100% of the torque can be transferred to one axle.
Open rear differential, Electronic Differential Lock (EDL).
Open front differential, Electronic Differential Lock (EDL).

Q7, Touareg pa Cayenne majo BorgWarner sistem.

Haldex
Automatic four wheel drive (on demand).
Haldex Traction LSC multi-plate clutch with ECU electronic control, acting as a pseudo center differential.
Open rear differential, no EDL.
Open front differential, EDL.

Normally front-wheel drive vehicle. A Haldex Traction LSC unit may divert up to a maximum 100% of the torque to the rear axle as conditions warrant. Many people find the torque distribution on Haldex Traction systems confusing. Under normal operating conditions, the Haldex LSC clutch operates at 5% (divide 5% between front and rear, and 97.5% torque goes to the front, and 2.5% goes to the rear). Under adverse conditions where both front wheels lose traction, the Haldex clutch can lock at 100% clamping force. This means, that since there is no torque transferred to the front axle, all torque (minus losses) must be transferred to the rear axle. The torque split between left and right wheels is achieved with a conventional open differential. If one side of the driven axle loses grip, then the Electronic Differential Lock (EDL) controls this. EDL brakes a single spinning wheel, and therefore torque gets transferred to the opposite wheel via the open differential. On all transverse-engined cars with the Haldex Traction LSC four-wheel drive system, the EDL only controls the front wheels, and not the rear.

In vehicles equipped with EDL on the front wheels only, the car will not move if both front and one of the rear wheels loses traction.

[Simon989]

5 ur bo pa že kar težko da bi rabil stalno 4x4...dvomim da greste v take extreme s Subarujem xD že po ukrajini sem videl, da ste bli vsi presenečemi kakšne grde poti so

[karel]

Tam kjer se jaz vozim z Foresterjem se le redki vozijo z terenci da pa nebi govorili o kakih drugih štirikolesno gnanih avtih...
Ukrajina je bila turistično naravnana tako da se nebi pogovarjali o kakih grdih poteh.Ceste pa imajo grde to pa zagotovo...

[KRUH]

Ima kdo te valjčke doma za test?

[klemz]

Sej pomoje bi jih lahko nardil bp.

[strumf666]

5 ur bo pa že kar težko da bi rabil stalno 4x4...dvomim da greste v take extreme s Subarujem xD že po ukrajini sem videl, da ste bli vsi presenečemi kakšne grde poti so

Subaru je skos AWD in je načeloma vseeno po kakem terenu se voziš, določeni "AWD" sistemi, predvsem nestalni, se pa znajo pregret že po parih urah afnanja na snegu/blatu/...

[nebivedu]

Tudi subarujev CVT se po parih urah voznje v celem snegu pregreje, zato vsi ki vozijo offroad z njim dajejo dodaten hladilnik za olje na avto. Izhode pa ze ima, tako da samo cevi in hladilnik rabis.

[subi92]

Iz enga forija 2001 sem odmontiral origalno vzmetenje zadaj, ker je rit visela dol in me zanima, ker so po občutku plinski amortizerji še dobri ali gre v k samo njihova funkcionalnost izravnave riti al se posedejo vzmeti?
Čist tko vprašam, da vidim če kupil za naslednjega pacienta s slabše ohranjenimi le močnejše fedre in bo rit spet tam tam?

Zdaj je s tistimi poceni iz a.doca in lesjofors vzmetmi rit kot mora biti?